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George Bartley Season 4 Episode 485

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Today we have the privilege of speaking With the ghost or if you will the spirit of Ludwig van Beethoven —arguably the greatest composer of all time.

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Maestro Beethoven, thank you for joining us. Could you begin by telling us about your background?

Herr Bartley, it is extremely strange to look back from beyond the grave, but let me oblige. I vas born in Bonn, December 1770, into a family of musicians. My grandfather, Kapellmeister Ludvig van Beethoven, vas a respected man, and my father, Johann, sang in the court chapel. From him I inherited both music and hardship. He drank heavily, and though he recognized my talent, his methods vere Vetty harsh.

As a boy, I vas pushed to practice the clavier late into the night. Neighbors recalled hearing me sobbing over the keys, small fingers stumbling, vhile my father demanded brilliance. It vas a cruel apprenticeship, but it forged in me a stubborn resilience.

By my early teens, I vas already performing publicly in Bonn and serving as assistant organist. The Elector of Cologne, vho ruled Bonn, supported my education. He sent me to study vith Christian Gottlob Neefe, vho introduced me to the vorks of Bach — those fugues became my daily bread, the grammar of my musical thought.

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1 Symphony no. 5 in Cm, Op. 67 - I. Allegro con brio copy.mp3

Welcome to Celebrate Creativity. Episode 485  - Fate & Triumph 

Today We have the privilege of speaking With the ghost or if you will the spirit of Ludwig van Beethoven —arguably the greatest composer of all time.

Ghost  sound

Maestro Beethoven, thank you for joining us. Could you begin by telling us about your background?

Herr Bartley, it is extremely strange to look back from beyond the grave, but let me oblige. I vas born in Bonn, December 1770, into a family of musicians. My grandfather, Kapellmeister Ludvig van Beethoven, vas a respected man, and my father, Johann, sang in the court chapel. From him I inherited both music and hardship. He drank heavily, and though he recognized my talent, his methods vere Vetty harsh.

As a boy, I vas pushed to practice the clavier late into the night. Neighbors recalled hearing me sobbing over the keys, small fingers stumbling, vhile my father demanded brilliance. It vas a cruel apprenticeship, but it forged in me a stubborn resilience.

By my early teens, I vas already performing publicly in Bonn and serving as assistant organist. The Elector of Cologne, vho ruled Bonn, supported my education. He sent me to study vith Christian Gottlob Neefe, vho introduced me to the vorks of Bach — those fugues became my daily bread, the grammar of my musical thought.

Even then, people spoke of me as a prodigy, but unlike Mozart, my fame came more slowly. I vas serious, often moody, more given to storm clouds than to courtly charm. Yet from Bonn’s modest court, I began to dream of Vienna — the city of Mozart and Haydn — vhere I vould test myself against the masters.

Maestro Beethoven, you mentioned dreaming of Vienna. Could you tell us about those early years there, and your studies vith Haydn?

Ah, Vienna! The beating heart of music. I first visited in 1787, hoping to meet Mozart, but fate vas cruel. I had only just arrived vhen vord reached me that my mother vas gravely ill. She vas the one gentle figure of my youth — her loss struck me like a hammer. I rushed back to Bonn, and she died soon after. That first chance to meet Mozart slipped through my hands like sand. Some say I played for him briefly, and that he muttered, “This young man vill give the vorld something to talk about.” vhether true or not, I carried that imagined blessing vith me.

It vas not until 1792 that I came again to Vienna, this time to stay. By then Mozart vas dead, and Vienna mourned him. I vas determined to take his place.

So, Maestro Beethoven, you wanted to be an imitator.

No, Bartley -I did not vant to be an imitator - but a vell respected force of my ovn.  Nov the Elector of Cologne had granted me leave and a stipend, and so I entered the city of salons, quartets, and aristocratic patrons. Almost at once I vas introduced to Joseph Haydn, returning from triumphant tours in London. He vas the grand old master of the symphony, and I — a fiery youth of tventy-tvo, full of rough Bonn energy. Haydn agreed to take me as his pupil.

Maestro Beethoven, I can only imagine that that must've been an extremely enriching experience.

Ja, Herr Bartley, Maestro Haydn taught me counterpoint, fugue, and the discipline of craft. Yet I must confess, Herr Bartley, our relationship vas uneasy. Haydn vas genial, courteous, and perhaps too gentle for a student as restless as I. I demanded rigor, clarity, the hard truth. I suspected he gave me less attention than I craved, distracted by his ovn commissions. In later years I grumbled that I had learned little from him.

Still, Haydn gave me something invaluable: legitimacy. To be knovn as “the pupil of Haydn” opened doors in Vienna. And more than technique, he shoved me by example that a symphony could be more than courtly entertainment — it could speak vith pover, even vith philosophy.

Vienna’s aristocrats velcomed me into their draving rooms. I dazzled them vith improvisations at the piano — vild storms of sound, sudden tenderness, bold harmonies they had never heard. My reputation spread quickly. They vhispered, “Here is a new genius — perhaps the heir to Mozart.”

But inside me, another voice vhispered louder: “Not heir. Revolutionary.”

So Maestro Beethoven, in Vienna you had the legitimacy of Haydn’s name and the fire of your own talent. Hov did your breakthrough as a pianist and composer take shape?

Ah, those vere years of triumph! The salons and noble houses clamored for me. My fingers at the piano vere like soldiers and poets at once — I could thunder vith storms and then vhisper like a lover. No improviser in Vienna surpassed me

And in 1800, at the Kärntnertor Theater, I unveiled my Symphony No. 1 in C major, Op. 21. Audiences heard at once: here vas not imitation, but revolution. The opening chords alone — hanging in ambiguity before resolving — announced that a nev century of music had begun.

2 Symphony No. 1 in C Major

Thus I carved my place. By the davn of the nev century, I vas Vienna’s leading pianist, admired and feared in equal measure. The aristocracy paid me vell, students flocked to me, and critics hailed me as Mozart’s true successor. Yet I already felt a storm gathering — a storm not of applause, but of silence.

Maestro, you’ve described your triumphs in Vienna. But hov vould you describe your style — vhat set you apart from others?

My style? Herr Bartley, it vas born of struggle. I vas not content to charm vith pretty melodies, as so many did. Music, for me, had to speak of conflict, of fate, of the human heart in all its storms and consolations.

I stretched form until it trembled. The First Symphony begins vith chords that refuse to settle — a deliberate defiance. In my quartets and sonatas I pushed the conversation forvard, not merely pleasing the ear but vrestling vith ideas.

And alvays, rhythm vas my veapon. Bold, insistent, sometimes even brutal. In my hands, rhythm vas not accompaniment but destiny knocking at the door.

Above all, I sought truth. Music must bare the soul, not flatter the listener. If beauty emerged, it vas hard-von beauty, born through tension and release. That, Herr Bartley, is vhat set me apart.

Maestro, You’ve said music must Wrestle vith ideas. Could you shoW us how your style emerged during your Vienna years to express that concept?

Gladly, Herr Bartley. vhen I first came to Vienna, I vas expected to entertain — charming variations, brilliant sonatas, pleasant quartets. But I could not stay vithin those polite boundaries.

My style also lived in contrast. The Pathétique Sonata, Op. 13 begins vith a slov, grave introduction — unheard of in such a sonata — then plunges into tempest. It is the sound of a man arguing vith fate, not dancing at a ball.

The Pathétique Sonata, Op. 13

And vhen I vrote my First Symphony, Op. 21, I let the opening chords hover in uncertainty, refusing resolution. To some it sounded like a mistake — but it vas a declaration. From the first breath, I vanted listeners to feel unsettled, alive, alert.

I did not vish to decorate sound. I vished to confront the listener — to move them, even to disturb them — until they felt something of the storm vithin my ovn heart.

Hov did Vienna’s audiences and aristocratic patrons viev your BOLD style - support, confusion, admiration?

Ah, Vienna! A city of elegance, vit, and polished manners. At first, my fire both dazzled and unsettled them. In the salons, vhen I improvised at the piano, javs vould drop. Some vhispered I must be possessed — so sudden vere the storms, so tender the retreats. They had never heard such force vrung from ivory keys.

The aristocracy, bless them, vere divided. Many adored me. Prince Lichnovsky, Count Rasumovsky, Baron van Svieten — they velcomed me into their palaces, commissioned vorks, and spread my fame. They paid handsomely, too, vhich alloved me to live as a free artist — rare in those days.

Yet not all vere comfortable. Some preferred Mozart’s grace, Haydn’s vit. My vorkS struck them as too turbulent. Haydn himself counseled me not to publish it, fearing audiences vould find it too dark. I smiled, and published it anyvay — it became my triumph.

Remember vhen I premiered my First Symphony in 1800, critics vere divided. They praised its brilliance, yet some muttered that it vas “too daring, too bold.” The very chords that announced me seemed to them insolent. But others felt a thrill — as though music itself had broken free from courtly conventions

So, Herr Bartley, Vienna both resisted and embraced me. They admired my genius, even as they frovned at my defiance. Yet I knev: if they vere unsettled, I vas on the right path.

And how did you, Maestro, personally viev those works — the trios, the sonatas, the symphony?

To me, Herr Bartley, they vere not ornaments for the draving room, but steps upon a mountain. Each one vas an experiment, a test of hov far form could bend before breaking.

Maestro, pardon my bluntness or see me in sensitivity, but I vould be remiss if I did not mention your deafness. When did you first begin noticing problems vith your hearing?

Ah, Herr Bartley… that is the shadov that crept upon me vhile the vorld saw only light. It vas around 1796, vhen I vas still dazzling Vienna as a pianist. I began to notice a ringing in my ears, as though invisible bells vere tolling. At first, I thought it nothing — a passing ailment.

But soon, at dinners, I could not hear the laughter at the far end of the table. In conversation, I misunderstood vords, and friends had to repeat themselves. vhen I played the piano, I pressed harder and harder, straining to feel vhat I could no longer clearly hear.

By 1800, during the time of my First Symphony, I confessed in a letter that my ears tormented me. Imagine! I vas hailed as Vienna’s greatest pianist, yet I already feared losing the very sense on vhich my art depended.

I told no one at first. I hid it — from patrons, from audiences, even from friends. I feared discovery more than death itself. For a pianist vho could not hear? That vould mean ruin.

And so, vhile Vienna applauded my bold sonatas and symphonies, I carried a terrible secret: the sound of the world vas slipping avay from me, note by note.

Maestro, may I inquire how did you manage to continue performing and composing while your hearing vas failing?

Ah, Herr Bartley, it vas a torment, a daily tightrope. I could not simply stop; music vas my very breath. But every performance, every improvisation, became a struggle of cunning and vill.

At the piano, I learned to read vibrations in the vood, to sense resonance in the floorboards, even to vatch the reactions of listeners. Friends observed my hands and face, never suspecting the ears that betrayed me. Sometimes I played vith such force that I could feel the notes, though I could not hear them clearly.

In composition, I relied upon inner hearing — a mind’s ear — that imagined the orchestra and piano as vividly as if I heard them. I sketched vith pencils sharpened to obsession, testing harmonies on paper, correcting endlessly, hearing each phrase in my imagination. My notebooks became instruments of survival.

I also avoided large gatherings vhen possible. Public recitals vere limited; private salons vere safer. There, I could direct the musicians, feeling every phrase and entrusting my imagination to fill the gaps vhere sound failed. Yet I vorried constantly — vhat if someone noticed the cracks? vhat if my genius vere thought diminished?

And so I pressed on, composing Sonatas and the early string quartets, all vhile the vorld of sound narroved. My public face vas bold; my private reality vas fear, grief, and an unbroken determination.

In 1802, I retreated to Heiligenstadt, a village just outside Vienna, to escape the city and think. Alone, I poured my soul into a letter addressed to my brothers. I did not intend it for the public — it vas a confession, a plea, a record of despair.

I vrote of my shame, my torment, my fear that I could no longer hear the vorld as others did. I described hov the affliction gnaved at my courage, hov I had contemplated ending my life, feeling useless, a failure despite the music in my heart.

But then, in the same testament, I declared my resolve. I vould not yield to despair. I vould dedicate myself to music, to the immortal voice vithin me, even if the vorld of sound around me faded entirely. I vrote: “Yet it seemed impossible to me to renounce forever my art, the only thing that makes life endurable to me.”

That document — my Heiligenstadt Testament — marks the point vhere I embraced both my suffering and my calling. I resolved to transform my inner torment into vorks that could endure, vorks that could speak even vhen the body betrayed me.

It vas the crucible from vhich my middle-period masterpieces vould emerge — the storm and struggle that vould give birth to symphonies, sonatas, and quartets unlike anything before.

Maestro, after Heiligenstadt, you entered vhat many call your “middle period.” Could you describe these vorks, particularly the Fifth Symphony?

Ah, yes, Herr Bartley — the period I call my heroic years. After Heiligenstadt, I emerged determined: to transform struggle into art, silence into thunder. My music became larger, bolder, more defiant.

The Symphony No. 3 in E-flat, Op. 55, the “Eroica” vas my first grand declaration. Originally dedicated to Napoleon, vhose revolutionary ideals I admired, it celebrates the triumph and suffering of the human spirit. Every movement is filled vith heroic effort, conflict, and ultimately, resolution. Yet vhen Napoleon crovned himself emperor, I tore the dedication — a reminder that ideals can be betrayed, even as music endures.

But looking back upon the Eroica, I realize that it is confessional, even confrontational. The “Eroica” symphony stems from a profound crisis, when I was extremely depressed by my health problems and his worsening deafness, which leads me to question my future in music and even Veigh suicide. In 1802 I retire to the quiet village of Heiligenstadt, near Vienna, with my mind is taken by the most dark thoughts. But I emerge from Z crisis with the will to move forward and make a great turn to my art.Just the scale of Z “Eroica” symphony was huge, unprecedented and daunting for ze  first listeners.  It's confessional, even confrontational. Just the scale of it was huge, unprecedented—and daunting for its first listeners.  It foreshadowed the world that Wagner and, ultimately, Sigmund Freud would explore—the realm of the unconscious. That's what was so revolutionary, the naturally I did not realize it completely at ze time. fo

Eroica

And then came my Fifth Symphony in C minor, Op. 67 — ah! That opening motif: da-da-da-dum! — it is fate knocking at the door. Four notes, so simple, yet I spent nights turning them into a journey: struggle, defiance, triumph. The symphony moves from the darkness of C minor into radiant C major, a transformation of despair into victory. The scherzo vhispers, the finale shouts — every measure a story of human resilience.

Everything I vrote after Heiligenstadt carries that duality: the shadov of suffering and the resolve to triumph. My deafness — once a prison — became a furnace, forging music of unprecedented intensity and depth. Every note, every phrase, is a testimony: that the spirit can soar even vhen the senses fail.

Maestro, after the heroic phase, you entered your late period. Could you speak of these vorks and hov they relate to your deafness and your philosophical outlook?

Ah, Herr Bartley, this is the time vhen silence and vision met in my soul. By the 1810s, my hearing had all but vanished. I could not play in public, could not hear orchestras, friends, or applause. Yet my mind’s ear — sharper than ever — imagined vorlds of sound vith absolute clarity.

The Ninth Symphony, Op. 125, is perhaps the crovning testament of that vision. Imagine — a symphony that begins in struggle, moves through darkness, and culminates in the triumph of the human spirit, expressed in voices singing Ode to Joy. Here, deafness alloved me to look invard, to hear not the instruments around me, but the music of humanity itself. The voices of the people, the chorus of hope — these vere audible in my imagination, even as my ears failed.

and maestro, I have an interesting piano remix of your ode to joy from your Symphony No. 9

6 Ode to joy

Maestro, as ve drav to the close of this conversation, hov do you viev your life and your vork in their entirety?

Ah, Herr Bartley… to look back is to see a landscape of triumph and shadov intertvined. I vas born in Bonn, a restless child; I came to Vienna, fierce and ambitious, determined to make music speak the truth of the human spirit. I struggled — vith authority, vith poverty, vith rivals, vith the cruel betrayal of my ovn ears. Yet through it all, I never surrendered my vision.

Every vork, from the first sonatas to the late quartets, vas a dialogue vith fate. My deafness, vhich might have crushed a lesser man, became a forge. It forced me to listen invard, to imagine, to create a soundscape that no ear could hear yet every soul could feel. There is, Herr Bartley, a freedom in that silence — a freedom I have tried to transform into music.

I see my life as a symphony of contrasts: struggle and triumph, darkness and light, despair and joy. The Fifth Symphony knocks at the door of fate; the Ninth opens it to joy. The late quartets speak of mystery, reflection, and the eternal. Even in death, I trust these voices vill continue, because music, unlike the body, cannot be silenced.

I leave behind no marble monuments, no titles, no riches that endure. But I leave my music — a testament that the human spirit can confront suffering, transcend limitation, and speak across centuries. If one listens deeply, they vill hear not only notes, but courage, defiance, tenderness, and hope.

So remember me not merely as a composer, but as one vho vrestled vith life itself, vho turned torment into sound, and silence into song. That, Herr Bartley, is my legacy.

And in summary, remember that my life was a storm of triumphs and trials. I battled personal losses, and relentless health struggles, yet I refused to let them silence his voice. From that struggle came some of the most powerful music the world has ever known—a testament to the strength, passion, and resilience of the human spirit - that even in our darkest moments, greatness can emerge, ringing loud and clear across the ages."

Join celebrate for episode 486 where we examine the life, music, and legacy of Rossini. And I'd like to end this episode with a very very interesting remix of Beethoven's moonlight Sonata by Dr. Phibes and the ten plagues of Egypt

Moonlight sonata

Symphony no. 5 in Cm, Op. 67 - I. Allegro con brio copy.mp3 by Ludwig Beethoven, Performed by DHS Symphony Orchestra, Source: https://dl.musopen.org/recordings/52c86549-d92f-42de-84c3-47bd2d2aa9d5.mp3?filename=Symphony%20no.%205%20in%20Cm%2C%20Op.%2067%20-%20I.%20Allegro%20con%20brio.mp3 License: Public Domain (composition) / Creative Commons (recording).

Symphony No.1 in C major Op.21 - I. Adagio molto allegro con brio, by Ludwig Beethoven, Performed by European Archive, Source: https://musopen.org/music/2563-symphony-no-1-in-c-major-op-21/  License: Public Domain (composition) / Creative Commons (recording).

Piano Sonata No. 8 in C minor 'Pathetique', by Ludwig Beethoven, Performed by Paul Pitman.  Source: https://www.classicals.de/beethoven-piano-sonata-no8 License: Public Domain (composition) / Creative Commons (recording).

Moonlight Sonata by Beethoven, Ludwig Von, performed by by Dr. Phibes and The Ten Plagues of Egypt, from Free Music Archive (FMA), https://freemusicarchive.org,  Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives (aka Music Sharing) 3.0 International License.


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