
Celebrate Creativity
This podcast is a deep dive into the world of creativity - from Edgar Allan Poe and Walt Whitman to understanding the use of basic AI principles in a fun and practical way.
Celebrate Creativity
Poe’s Creativity - Part One
Welcome to Celebrate Creativity - my name is George Bartley and this is episode 436 - the first of a two part series - Poe’s Creativity - Part One
First I have a confession to make - her somehow got the last two audio files, their titles, and numbers mixed up - it's very easy to do - I will definitely be sure to do all that I can to be sure that this doesn't happen again - and I hope I'm now back on track with this episode. I apologize for any inconvenience.
Now, this and the following episode deal with Edgar Allan poe and creativity - first his creativity and poetry, then his creativity in relation to prose. And here is the ghost of Mr. Poe right now - a character that listeners to this podcast might be familiar with from earlier episodes, and a writer who will certainly return for many other future podcast episodes.
Thank you for experiencing Celebrate Creativity.
Welcome to Celebrate Creativity - my name is George Bartley and this is episode 436 - the first of a two part series - Poe’s Creativity - Part One
First I have a confession to make - her somehow got the last two audio files, their titles, and numbers mixed up - it's very easy to do - I will definitely be sure to do all that I can to be sure that this doesn't happen again - and I hope I'm now back on track with this episode. I apologize for any inconvenience.
Now, this and the following episode deal with Edgar Allan poe and creativity - first his creativity and poetry, then his creativity in relation to prose. And here is the ghost of Mr. Poe right now - a character that listeners to this podcast might be familiar with from earlier episodes, and a writer who will certainly return for many other future podcast episodes.
GHOST SOUND
Greetings Mr. Bartley
Well it's the ghost of Mr. Poe.
Hello Mr. Poe - I'm going to get directly to the point and ask you why you are considered by many to be extremely creative. In other words, I'd like to take a deep dive into the creative genius behind Edgar Allan Poe.
Ah, Mr. Bartley - Many discriminating individuals would say that creativity stems from my ability to innovate within literary forms, explore the darkest corners of the human psyche, and masterfully craft an atmosphere that lingers long after the story ends. I sincerely believe that I was a pioneer in many ways, essentially inventing the detective fiction genre and pushing the boundaries of what was considered "gothic" literature.
So Mr. Poe, I assume that you basically had developed a talent for writing engaging stories.
Ah, Mr. Bartley - you must be aware, that I did not solely write stories; I invented new ways to tell them. My creation of detective fiction with stories such as "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" is a prime example. I introduced a brilliant, eccentric protagonist, a loyal but somewhat less intelligent narrator, and a focus on logical deduction.
And Mr. Poe, as I'm sure you know from your experiences as a spirit, that
this formula became the blueprint for countless detective stories that followed, from Sherlock Holmes to modern-day crime dramas.
Yes Mr. Bartley. I would say that is a fair assessment. And eyond detective fiction, my creativity is quite evident in my role as a foundational figure in science fiction. In works such as "The Unparalleled Adventure of One Hans Pfaall," I combined scientific speculation with narrative storytelling, a precursor to the sci-fi genre you may be acquainted with today. Consider this excerpt from the story -
Note this section from that literary effort - It is almost needless to say, that, upon coming to a due sense of my situation, and emerging from the terror which had absorbed every faculty of my soul, my attention was, in the first place, wholly directed to the contemplation of the general physical appearance of the moon. It lay beneath me like a chart — and although I judged it to be still at no inconsiderable distance, the indentures of its surface were defined to my vision with a most striking and altogether unaccountable distinctness. The entire absence of ocean or sea, and indeed of any lake or river, or body of water whatsoever, struck me, at the first glance, as the most extraordinary feature in its geological condition. Yet, strange to say, by far the greater portion of the hemisphere in sight was covered with innumerable volcanic mountains, conical in shape, and having more the appearance of artificial than of natural protuberances. The greater part of them were in a state of evident eruption, and gave me fearfully to understand their fury and their power, by the repeated thunders of the mis-called meteoric stones, which now rushed upwards by the balloon with a frequency more and more appalling.
Mr. Bartley, I believe that my creativity was also exemplified buy my rather unparalleled ability to explore the human mind's darker aspects. So Mr. Bartley, one might surmise that unlike other gothic writers who focused on external monsters, your true horror came from within. You certainly delved into themes of madness, obsession, and guilt,
Oh Mr. Poe - I believe that you also delved into what we referred to today as the subconscious.
Precisely Mr. Bartley.
And Mr. Bartley, remember that stories such as "The Tell-Tale Heart" are not about a monster in the closet; they are about a killer's descent into madness, driven by his own guilt. This psychological depth made my horror more personal and terrifying, creating a new kind of creative terror - a creative terror which I understand would influence future authors.
Precisely Mr. Poe - a psychological depth that would influence author such as HP Lovecraft and Stephen King
And Mr. Bartley, you might also say that I was also A Master of Atmosphere and Symbolism Yes, I was a master stylist. My creative use of language, imagery, and symbolism is a key part of my genius. I meticulously crafted a mood in every piece, using specific word choices and rhythmic prose to build tension and evoke a sense of dread. For example, in "The Fall of the House of Usher," the decaying house is not just a setting; it's a symbol of the family's decaying psyche.
Mr. Poe, that's a fascinating insight.
And Mr. Bartley, I believe that my poems, too, showcase this creativity. "The Raven" is a masterpiece of rhythm and repetition, creating a hypnotic, sorrowful mood that perfectly captures the narrator's grief. I believe that this creative control over every aspect of my writing, from plot to prose, is what solidifies my place as a literary innovator.
Mr. Poe, to what do you owe your creativity?
My dearest Mr. Bartley, you pose a question that delves into the very core of my being—a most fitting inquiry, I must say. My creativity, if you choose to call it that, is not some gift bestowed upon me by the Muses.
Then, Mr. Poe, permit me to ask again to what do you owe your creativity?
Please be patient Mr. Bartley - I was just getting ready to answer your query. I firmly believe that my creativity is the result of a most deliberate and, at times, agonizing process. It is a debt I owe to two intertwined forces: my meticulous mind and the profound, inescapable darkness of the human soul.
Could you elaborate on that further, Mr. Poe?
Certainly, Mr. Bartley. First, there is the matter of intellect. My tales of ratiocination, such as "The Murders in the Rue Morgue," are born not of fleeting fancy, but of a cold, analytical precision. I find beauty in the methodical unraveling of a problem, the logical progression from effect to cause. I have sought to create a new form of storytelling, one that elevates the art of deduction to a science. The detective, my Auguste Dupin, is not merely a hero, but a symbol of the triumph of intellect over chaos. This is not creativity in the sense of a wild, untamed spirit, but rather the creativity of an architect building a structure of perfect logic.
Mr. Poe, Like the creativity of a Frank Lloyd Wright - Much of his architecture may look like creative flights of fancy but are also built on that form structured logic that you refer to.
Perhaps Mr. Bartley.Yet, to speak only of logic would be to ignore the true source of my inspiration. For it is in the shadows of the human psyche that my most potent work is found. I am drawn to the madness that lurks just beneath the surface of sanity, the guilt that festers in the heart, and the obsession that consumes all. The characters in my tales, from the narrator of "The Tell-Tale Heart" to the tormented Roderick Usher, are not external monsters, but reflections of the monstrous impulses we all carry within us. I do not invent these horrors; I merely hold a mirror to the depths of our shared humanity. This is a form of creativity born not of joy, but of a deep, unsettling understanding of the abyss.
In sum, my creativity is a curious marriage of the two. It is the cold, unwavering light of reason illuminating the darkest corners of the soul. It is the careful construction of a poem's meter and the wild, uncontrolled grief it conveys. It is a debt I owe to both the order of the universe and the beautiful, terrible disorder of man.
Mr. Poe, Why did you decide to explore the darkest corners of the human psyche?
My dear Mr. Bartley, you ask a question that strikes at the very core of my artistic purpose. I do not "decide" to explore the darkest corners of the human psyche as one decides to take a stroll in the park. Rather, I am compelled to do so. The human soul, in its full and terrible complexity, is the only subject worthy of a true artist's attention.
Remember, In every man there exists a spirit of perversity—a primal, irrational impulse to do precisely that which is forbidden, simply because it is forbidden. It is a terrifying truth, and one that is universally ignored by the public, but I see it with chilling clarity. In my tales, such as "The Black Cat," I seek to expose this truth. I show how a man, without motive, can commit a heinous act of cruelty, driven by nothing more than this perverse urge. It is not an external devil I depict, but the very devil within us all.
Mr. Poe, How does sanity and the mind fit into all this?
Mr. Bartley, I am also fascinated by the thin, fragile line that separates sanity from madness. The mind, which we assume to be our steadfast guide, is in fact a treacherous landscape, prone to collapse at the slightest provocation. My narrators, be they the meticulous killer in "The Tell-Tale Heart" or the tormented Roderick Usher, are not born insane. They are ordinary men who, through obsession, grief, or fear, are led down a path from which there is no return. I choose to explore this abyss because it is the most terrifying and relatable of all horrors: the fear of losing oneself.
In essence, I explore these dark corners not because I delight in them, but because they are real. They are the essential, unspoken truths of our existence, and it is my duty as a writer to bring them into the light, no matter how unsettling that light may be.
Then Mr. Poe, would you say that you are a pioneer?
A pioneer, Mr. Bartley? The term is not one I would have chosen for myself, as it smacks of a certain self-congratulatory bravado. Yet, if you insist on the word, then yes, I suppose I was a pioneer in two distinct and essential ways. I was a pioneer in form and a pioneer in subject matter.
My work was a deliberate and painstaking attempt to forge new literary structures. I was not content to merely repeat the tired gothic tales of my predecessors, with their creaking doors and predictable ghosts. I saw that the most terrifying phantoms were not in a crumbling castle, but in the human mind. My tales of ratiocination, featuring Auguste Dupin, were an entirely new creation.
Mr. Poe, I believe today we would refer to similar works as detective fiction.
Yes, Mr. Bartley, one might say that I invented a genre built not on mystery alone, but on the intellectual pleasure of logical deduction. I also experimented with the short story itself, crafting tales of "unity of effect" where every word, every phrase, was a deliberate step toward a single, overwhelming emotional impact. This was a new way of writing, a disciplined artistry that had little precedent.
More profoundly, I pioneered the exploration of the very terrain of the human soul. Before me, many writers had explored human emotion, but few had dared to venture into the unsettling depths of perversity, obsession, and madness as I did. I was one of the first to argue that true horror was not external, but internal. I did not need a monster in the shadows, because the monster was already within the man. I chose to examine the grotesque and the grotesque was to be found in the mind of man. I was a pioneer in the art of the psychological horror story, a dark and fertile ground that has since been tilled by many who came after me.
So, Mr. Bartley, one might say that I built new literary machines and turned my gaze to a dark landscape few had the courage to explore.
Do you believe that you wrote novel stories or you basically invented new ways to tell them?
You pose a most excellent question, Mr. Bartley, and one that forces a man to look upon his work with a certain, shall we say, intellectual candor. The simple answer is that I did both, but one was the consequence of the other.
To merely "write stories" is a common enough pursuit, an act of transcription where one sets down a narrative as it flows from the mind. It is the work of a journeyman. But to invent new ways to tell them—that, my dear Mr. Bartley, is the work of an architect.
Mr. Poe, I sometimes find some of your work difficult to comprehend - did any of your output have a haphazard or disorganized purpose?
Far from it Mr. Bartley, I wrote with a specific, almost mathematical, purpose. My celebrated theory of "Unity of Effect" was not a mere suggestion; it was a fundamental law of my creative universe. Every word, every setting, every character's action was a carefully calculated component, designed to converge upon a single, preordained emotional effect. In "The Fall of the House of Usher," for instance, the decaying mansion, the morbid illness, and the very atmosphere itself are all meticulously constructed to produce a feeling of total, inescapable despair. This is not just a story; it is a meticulously engineered emotional experience. Note the concluding passage of the story -
From that chamber, and from that mansion, I fled aghast. The storm was still abroad in all its wrath as I found myself crossing the old causeway. Suddenly there shot along the path a wild light, and I turned to see whence a gleam so unusual could have issued; for the vast house and its shadows were alone behind me. The radiance was that of the full, setting, and blood-red moon, which now shone vividly through that once barely-discernible fissure, of which I have before spoken as extending from the roof of the building, in a zigzag direction, to the base. While I gazed, this fissure rapidly widened — there came a fierce breath of the whirlwind — the entire orb of the satellite burst at once upon my sight — my brain reeled as I saw the mighty walls rushing asunder — there was a long tumultuous shouting sound like the voice of a thousand waters — and the deep and dank tarn at my feet closed sullenly and silently over the fragments of the “House of Usher.”
I think I see what you mean, Mr. Poe.
Thank you Mr. Bartley, And so, in pursuing this new method, I found myself creating entirely new forms. The tale of ratiocination, with its focus on the brilliant detective and his loyal companion, was born from my desire to explore the power of the human intellect. The very genre of detective fiction was a direct result of my invention of a new way to tell a story about crime.
I did not write stories in the conventional sense. I crafted mechanisms of prose and poetry designed to penetrate the deepest recesses of the mind. I built stories that were not merely narratives but experiments in feeling, in terror, in logic, and in the sorrow of an eternal "Nevermore." It is through this invention of method that the stories themselves found their true and lasting power.
Specifically, how is your creativity displayed in your detective fiction and in your science fiction
Ah, Mr. Bartley, a fine distinction, and one that permits me to expound upon the specific mechanisms of my creative spirit. My creativity in the areas of detective fiction and science fiction is a testament to my belief that art and intellect are not adversaries, but allies.
In my "tales of ratiocination," my creativity is not in the plot, but in the very method of the plot. I did not simply write a mystery; I invented the detective story itself. Before my work, a crime story was a narrative of events—a simple chronicle of a misdeed. But I saw that the true artistry lay not in the what, but in the how.
Fascinating, Mr. Poe
Mr. Bartley, My creative act in this case was to introduce C. Auguste Dupin, a character whose brilliance was rooted in a methodical, almost scientific, approach to crime. He is a poet of logic, who understands that the most profound truths are often hidden in the most obvious details. The police, in their brute-force methods, are blind to these truths. It is Dupin, with his powers of observation and his ability to place himself within the mind of the criminal, who sees the solution.
So Mr. Poe, one might say that your invention of the "armchair detective" who solves a crime through sheer intellect became the very foundation for all who came after, from Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes to the countless others who owe their existence to your initial designs.
Thank you for the recognition Mr. Bartley. It must also be noted that my
creativity in science fiction is of a different, though no less deliberate, nature. In this genre, I was not merely an inventor of new worlds, but a speculator on the very nature of existence. I took the scientific advancements of my time—the fascination with mesmerism, balloon travel, and the nature of the cosmos—and wove them into narratives that were both plausible and fantastic.
In such a story as "The Unparalleled Adventure of One Hans Pfaall," my creativity lies in the meticulous detail with which I present a journey to the moon. I employed the scientific knowledge of my era to make the improbable seem not only possible, but inevitable. One might call the story a creative blend of scientific fact and wild imagination, a blueprint for future writers such as Jules Verne, who saw in my work a model for how to make the impossible feel real. I took the dry, cold facts of science and gave them a soul, a dramatic purpose. My science fiction was less a vision of the future than a profound exploration of what it means to be human in a universe of infinite and terrifying possibility.
In both fields, then, my creativity was an act of precision. I used intellect as a chisel, carving from the raw marble of human experience a new and enduring form of art. I did not simply write; I constructed, and in doing so, I left a legacy of method and design.
And Mr. Poe, I am happy to say that your legacy of method and design still continues inspire.
Mr. Bartley, that is most gratifying to hear.
Mr. Poe, could you comment on your ability to explore the human mind’s darker aspects?
Mr. Bartley, you ask about my ability to explore the darker aspects of the human mind, and I shall answer in my own fashion. My ability is not a choice but a necessity, a duty I believe all great artists must embrace. My creativity, as you call it, is a key that unlocks the forbidden chambers of the soul. I am compelled to look into the abyss because it is the only place where true and profound truths reside.
I am a keen observer of perversity, that most terrifying of human traits. It is the irrational impulse to do wrong for its own sake, the desire to defy a rule simply because it exists. In "The Black Cat," I show how a man, with no motive but this perverse spirit, descends into a spiral of violence and madness. I was not content to invent external monsters; I sought to reveal the monster that dwells within the human heart. This is a truth many would rather ignore, but it is one I feel a duty to expose.
The Fragility of Sanity
I am also fascinated by the thin, fragile line between sanity and madness. In "The Tell-Tale Heart," my narrator is not a raving lunatic but a man driven to madness by his own guilt. He is meticulous, deliberate, and entirely convinced of his own sanity, even as his mind unravels before our very eyes. This is the true horror: the realization that the mind, which we assume to be our steadfast guide, is a treacherous landscape, prone to collapse at the slightest provocation. My work explores this abyss, not to terrify for its own sake, but to examine the very real and terrifying possibility of losing one's own self.
In sum, my exploration of the mind's darker aspects is an act of intellectual honesty. It is a creative choice to reject the pleasant fictions of human goodness and to confront the terrible, beautiful truth of our own nature.